How ‘Bout Now…

Posted: July 11, 2013 by beforethefire in Humor
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These Jiu-jitsu practitioners address the problem of eye gouging when ground fighting. For those who don’t know, eye gouging and other dirty fighting tactics are a common argument against Jiu-jitsu training.

How do you defend against dirty fighting tactics?

  1. patrickasay says:

    My previous post called “Ground Fighting Strategies to Prevent Punches,” where I have a video demonstrating the stuff, definitely goes along these lines. For those of you who are lazy:

    Yeah it annoys the crap out of me when “Reality Based Self Defense” instructors teach that you can eye gouge the crap out of a grappler because that is something the grappler cannot defend against, you know, being so used to just “rolling” around and not striking.


    Especially in our art, Asay Jiujitsu, we are always aware of our position and whether or not our enemy can strike us from a certain position–in order to adjust our position to control him, dominate him, prevent him from striking us, and submit him somehow, then go to safety.

    Do not assume that Asay Jiujitsu is “anti-striking.” It is not. In fact, quite the opposite. Once you advance in the art you continually learn different ways you can control the opponent on the ground in a way that makes striking him MUCH more effective.

    We even do what Eddie Bravo stole from us (haha, j/k, but not really…because we’ve been doing it for several years 😉 called Combat Jiujitsu*, where you put on the gloves and “roll,” just so you can be aware of the opponent’s striking ability, be able to get in a position where you can strike effectively (and he can’t), and to put him in positions where he is too controlled to strike.

    But we are actually cooler than Bravo’s creation. Because we do what is called “unfair drills” and “unfair sparring/rolling,” where one person puts on the gloves and can punch (and submit!) but the other “handicapped” person cannot…and can only use Asay Jiujitsu to defend himself.


    When I get a bran new student to train with me on his first day I “prove” to him that Asay Jiujitsu is effective against a striker, once the fight is taken to the ground. I have him put on the gloves and tell him to knock me out! I promise him that I will not strike. I will only use grappling to win. I usually tell him that if he can knock me out then I will not only refund his money, but I will actually pay him double.

    That motivates him.

    So, every single time (I haven’t failed yet…knock on wood!)…no matter how big and strong he is, I always close the distance, get a takedown, establish a dominant position, then I submit him. (This is, of course, after having him sign a waiver that stresses the “tapping out” policy, and if he doesn’t tap out and something breaks…then I’m covered! Luckily, that hasn’t happened…yet [knock on wood])

    BUT THAT’S NOT ALL!:…I then put him in the top guard position, with me on the bottom, and I tell him to KNOCK ME OUT! I then go on to prove that you can defeat an opponent from your back, in the guard position. I usually don’t even sweep him. I just submit him somehow from bottom guard, to show that you can win even if you’re on your back.

    It’s a little risky to do this, and I realize that. However, I am so confident with my ground game that I’m never worried about getting knocked out. Most of the time, probably 65% of the time, I don’t even get hit in the face. If I do, I am defending well enough to make sure it’s not an effective strike. But once it goes to the ground that percentage drops substantially! To probably 10% of the time he is able to make contact with my head…but even then I already have him in a dominant or controlled position to where he has no gravity with his punches to make them effective.

    Now, to clear things up, I ONLY do this with bran-new students who have either little or no experience in martial arts, particularly grappling. (However, I’ve done it to wrestlers effectively before, two times that I can remember).

    But that is the very point of doing that for first-time students: to show that the average, untrained joe (which is the majority of people) cannot effectively strike if you are proficient at #1 closing the distance, #2 getting a takedown, #3 using positional maintenance to dominate/control him, and #4 sinking a submission from the already-established dominant position.

    Please don’t think I’m cocky by doing this. Seriously, I just want people to know how effective grappling can be against the average joe, and the reason for which we teach a heavy amount of grappling in our curriculum (we even have a separate art that goes into much more detail for the ground game, which is Asay Jiujitsu.)

    But yes, great video you found there, Brock! I like how they just went straight to the point without any beating around the bush. Of course, there will be the reality-based self defense guys that will argue that the video is flawed…but I invite them to roll with Brock! And see if they can pull off an eye gouge! I would even pay his medical bills if they pulled it off…but that wouldn’t happen. Brock be a wizard on da ground! (He still needs to figure out a way to sweep me from bottom guard though 😉

    Great post! However, I wish you elaborated on it much more instead of just providing the video. I would like to hear more about your take on this subject.


    patrick asay
    6th Degree Pink Belt in Ashi-Mashi-Do
    (An Antarctican ancient martial art that is above all other styles)

  2. patrickasay says:


    I used the term “Asay Jiujitsu” in many areas where it would still be appropriate to say “Gracie-Jiujitsu, or “Brazilian Jiujitsu,” etc. I only did so because I take pride in our new ground fighting style. I had no intent on belittling any other style of grappling. I just wanted to get the word out 😉

    patrick asay

    • I love your newest self-promotion to pink belt. That was a nice touch.

      As for the video, I think it’s mostly just a funny video, so I felt it didn’t need much introduction. I just wanted people to watch and enjoy!

      As for your training methods, they’re very reminiscent of the Gracie challenges, and besides being a good demonstration of Applied Martial Arts, good training for yourself.

      I personally need a little more sparring with striking. I’ve done it, but I feel like I need to do it regularly to get confident. Good suggestions for drills, Patrick.

      • randelicious says:

        I have always been fascinated with martial arts in all forms but have never really done much training in jujitsu religiously as a sport. I have however trained in the art of jujitsu as a part of cqc training for real life situations. We started off with non-striking and after the first few days we convinced the cqc instructor that we can pull off things like a triangle choke without worrying about a fist trying to make contact with our face. So he agreed and the next day we were in gloves and going full throttle with our training. Now keep in mind that all of us had some sort of background in fighting. I myself was a boxer for more then 5 years and I also did Roman wrestling for a good chunk of my life. The mkst bjj I have done is pretty much rolling with my big brother. But like you said Bri that fight was terrible and I think some more training should have been involved. Sorry I was jumping around but to some it up. I love striking when were rolling and that video was pretty bad. maybe we should incorporate some striking next time we roll Bri.

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